ANT+ genius compatibility

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ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by miannini » Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:33 pm

I have downloaded and installed the TDA. I tried to find my non-smart Genius ANT+, it showed a few times on the device manager, but, then it disappeared. Does anybody know if TDA is already compatible with "older" (mid-2015) non-smart trainers? Did you have success using it?
Thanks!

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by mcorn » Mon Jan 22, 2018 7:19 pm

miannini wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:33 pm
I have downloaded and installed the TDA. I tried to find my non-smart Genius ANT+, it showed a few times on the device manager, but, then it disappeared. Does anybody know if TDA is already compatible with "older" (mid-2015) non-smart trainers? Did you have success using it?
Thanks!
As of today, a non-Smart ANT+ trainer (non-Bluetooth) is not support in TDA. No word on when, if ever, these older ANT+ only trainers will be supported.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by Alex Masalovich » Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:35 pm

miannini wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:33 pm
I tried to find my non-smart Genius ANT+, it showed a few times on the device manager
Try to make a screenshot at the time of such recognition. It is very interesting.
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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by Tommo » Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:44 am

The TDA guide statement on this makes it questionable whether ANT+ will ever be supported on TDA

Does it really only works on Bluetooth
The ANT+ developer (Dynastream) needs to develop a driver for UWP (development
environment for Microsoft, which Tacx Desktop app is using), which are not compatible with
the older ANT+ driver. Therefor the driver cannot be certified by Microsoft and cannot be
used under UWP for Windows 10 (were Tacx Desktop app has been build on). At this point
we are not sure when this can be implemented.
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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by kostyap » Thu Feb 01, 2018 3:29 pm

Tommo wrote:
Thu Feb 01, 2018 11:44 am
The ANT+ developer (Dynastream) needs to develop a driver for UWP (development
environment for Microsoft, which Tacx Desktop app is using),
Dynastream does not need/have to develop anything. They've already developed driver for Windows that is perfectly usable from desktop applications. The guilty party is Tacx/Their vendor who had for whatever reasons chosen UWP as their platform instead of standard desktop application. Their bad. This choice gives zero advantages and a whole host of limitations. Besides even for UWP if they really wanted to the issue is easily solvable.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by mcorn » Thu Feb 01, 2018 5:44 pm

https://www.thisisant.com/forum/adopt/v ... 6512/#7317

Choosing UWP has gotten TDA painted into a corner. I have no idea why Dynastream does not develop a signed driver for use with UWP. Seems like Dynastream is also painting itself into a corner as it is limiting ANT+ apps that can be sold in the Microsoft store.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by mcorn » Sat Feb 03, 2018 6:29 pm

Tacx Video Production wrote:
Sat Feb 03, 2018 5:18 pm
It all makes no difference anyway, Tacx missed the winter. Everyone will be out on road in a few weeks here..
This is not a one winter issue, it is all winters.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by miannini » Wed Feb 28, 2018 9:09 pm

Alex Masalovich wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 10:35 pm
miannini wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2018 6:33 pm
I tried to find my non-smart Genius ANT+, it showed a few times on the device manager
Try to make a screenshot at the time of such recognition. It is very interesting.
My bad, in Win10, TDA does not shows my ANT+ roller. It shows on the iPad... Sorry for the confusion.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by miannini » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:24 pm

Any news of the compatibility between TDA and older non-smart Tacx trainers? Did anyone from Tacx hear a word?

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by mcorn » Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:58 pm

miannini wrote:
Mon Apr 09, 2018 4:24 pm
Any news of the compatibility between TDA and older non-smart Tacx trainers? Did anyone from Tacx hear a word?
My impression is this is very unlikely to happen any time soon due to the choice to use the Microsoft UWP platform for TDA. It seems to not make much sense given the large base of ANT+ only hardware out there, but I have seen little public indication that this will be solved or that anyone is actually working on this. Dynastream, part of Garmin and the owner of ANT+, indicated two years ago that it was working on it, but that all seems to have fizzled. I suspect there are some major incompatibilities between the UWP platform and ANT+. There may be be someone else on the forum who better understands the technical issues.

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by tnikolai » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:51 pm

It possible!

UWP can communicate with Win32 process. So can do Win32 bridge for ANT+.

https://github.com/Microsoft/DesktopBri ... idgeSample or
https://blogs.windows.com/buildingapps/ ... g-project/

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Re: ANT+ genius compatibility

Post by Spiix » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:40 am

tnikolai wrote:
Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:51 pm
It possible!

UWP can communicate with Win32 process. So can do Win32 bridge for ANT+.
That is indeed part of the solution we are working on.

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