Which trainer is best for me

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Which trainer is best for me

Postby Tacx support » Wed Jun 05, 2013 3:28 pm

Hereby some information on what to buy and what the differences are between our trainers. First this is an important rule to understand

Regardless which trainer you buy, it is Tacx’s goal to offer the same work-out on each trainer when you climb a mountain. Whether you do this with a Flow Multiplayer or a Genius, for example, in the end the amount of energy delivered by the rider should be the same. This is complicated, because the braking power of the Flow Multiplayer is not the same as the braking power of the Genius. The Genius can deal with much more power. So an 8% slope feels different with the Flow MP (light) than with the Genius (heavy, the full 8%), because the Genius is much better in simulating a climb. With the Flow MP, the braking stops around 4-5% (depending on the weight settings).
To reach our main goal, we need to change something in our software, to make sure that the work-out is the same in the end. This we achieve by reducing the speed of the Flow MP the moment the maximum braking power is reached. The displayed speed is shown in red in the software (or it is shown square on the Vortex or Bushido). This is what we call Virtual speed.

So if you understand that a little bit better, it is easier to choose between the different trainers

Iflow
Power: it can break to max 4-5% depending on your weight settings. All over that the speed will go DOWN so you will not have the actual speed in cycling, 8% Climbing will never feel real
Also with iflow you get the basic software,so limitted in some functions (like import/export/Vr is not fully available.

Vortex
Power: it can break to around 7% depending on your weight settings. Same story as flow. However, the % can be spread more over the resistance power. Meaning that from 3% breaking we make 4% slope feel like 3% climb and 6% slope feel like 4% climb and 9% feel like 6%.

Bushido
Just has more breaking power then Vortex, so the 11% really feels like 8% Climbing

Genius
Goes up to 20%. So there is no manipulation of the breaking making it more realistic.

So the above are the biggest changes between the trainers.
Some other points
Bushido and Vortex have a headunit that can work without connecting it to a PC. The Genius and the i-flow Always needs a computer to work.
The Bushido you can also pre-program the SLOPE-Wattage-HeartRate trainings. With Vortex you can only manual adjust during a ride. The Bushido also does not need electricity to operated. With a generator in the brake it is possible to do you trainings. Easy to set it up and move any place you want.
Both are ANT compatible (also analogue works) so you can connect your ANT strap to it. The Flow is only analogue compatible. There is a list of compatible items http://www.tacxservice.com/en/4-what-he ... t-included.

Bike trainers - (Booster, Satori, Blue Motion, Blue Matic, Blue Twist)
We have different models BikeTrainers. The difference is 99% the breaking power. So the more expensive the trainer, the better breaking power it has on low speed (so you can simulate a climb of a mountain)
It is not possible to connect these Pc to a trainer, however there is program that makes a little interaction possible.

http://www.tacx.com/nl/products/software/video-player
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby dovuhg » Thu Feb 06, 2014 4:07 pm

I wonder if igenius or iflow would be the best for me. Hard decisision!
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby davethomas » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:28 am

Hi, I'm new here so this may seem an obvious question. I'm looking to get a turbo trainer of some sort, I've ridden fixed for five years and recently got a road bike. I'm getting a tt to improve fitness, stamina and climbing. The main question is can i used by fixed gear on it? I'm wondering if it will spin out to much on downhills? Thanks in advance.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Nasz » Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:19 am

davethomas wrote:Hi, I'm new here so this may seem an obvious question. I'm looking to get a turbo trainer of some sort, I've ridden fixed for five years and recently got a road bike. I'm getting a tt to improve fitness, stamina and climbing. The main question is can i used by fixed gear on it? I'm wondering if it will spin out to much on downhills? Thanks in advance.


If you switch your fixie to a single-speed (so you can freewheel) then you'll have not problems hooking it up to the trainer. If you leave it as a fixie, you are in danger of wrecking most trainers
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby chrispalmor » Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:06 am

I've been using BikeTrainers. It's really great. I've lost significant amount of overweight by training with BikeTrainers.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby bigrichard » Sun Apr 12, 2015 2:04 pm

chrispalmor wrote:I've been using BikeTrainers. It's really great. I've lost significant amount of overweight by training with BikeTrainers.

Keep up the good work. In my opinion cycling is the best exercise all around and burns the calories the fastest.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby AndyShinnick » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:40 pm

Hi, I am interested in buying a turbo trainer that would allow me measure HR & Watts. I am mainly training for triathlon in particular Ironman. I am looking for something also that would allow me to use online training in the like of the tacx videos etc. Please note that I also do not want to break the bank also. V/R Andrew
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby risslerp » Sat Aug 22, 2015 8:14 pm

AndyShinnick wrote:Hi, I am interested in buying a turbo trainer that would allow me measure HR & Watts. I am mainly training for triathlon in particular Ironman. I am looking for something also that would allow me to use online training in the like of the tacx videos etc. Please note that I also do not want to break the bank also. V/R Andrew


I purchased the Bushido Smart last month and really enjoy it. It's been a big step up from my dumb trainer. I'm currently training for IM Lake Tahoe and I've used the Tacx TTS software to do gps rides of the Lake Tahoe course. I've spent up to 7.5 hrs doing gps rides. On my old trainer I could never do more than 2. As a change of pace I load up Zwift and ride around the island. I've also used it with Trainer Road. I have the Col du Tormalet video and have ridden it. I also have the IM 70.3 St George video for when I start training for that next year. The St. George video is an older course and a little bit different from this years and probably next years course.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Mark Hewitt » Mon Sep 14, 2015 1:08 pm

risslerp wrote:I purchased the Bushido Smart last month and really enjoy it. It's been a big step up from my dumb trainer. I'm currently training for IM Lake Tahoe and I've used the Tacx TTS software to do gps rides of the Lake Tahoe course. I've spent up to 7.5 hrs doing gps rides. On my old trainer I could never do more than 2. As a change of pace I load up Zwift and ride around the island. I've also used it with Trainer Road. I have the Col du Tormalet video and have ridden it. I also have the IM 70.3 St George video for when I start training for that next year. The St. George video is an older course and a little bit different from this years and probably next years course.


Hi,
I currently have a Tacx Blue Matic and I'm thinking of an upgrade to the Bushido. How would you rate it in comparison to cheaper trainers, both from the 'smart' aspects and just how it compares as a turbo trainer?

How does the no-plugin aspect work in practice? I fear that having to pedal in order to generate power and a connection would be a pain? Does it maintain a connection to the likes of bluetooth devices when you stop pedalling?
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Lunatix » Mon Sep 14, 2015 2:06 pm

Mark Hewitt wrote:
risslerp wrote:I purchased the Bushido Smart last month and really enjoy it. It's been a big step up from my dumb trainer. I'm currently training for IM Lake Tahoe and I've used the Tacx TTS software to do gps rides of the Lake Tahoe course. I've spent up to 7.5 hrs doing gps rides. On my old trainer I could never do more than 2. As a change of pace I load up Zwift and ride around the island. I've also used it with Trainer Road. I have the Col du Tormalet video and have ridden it. I also have the IM 70.3 St George video for when I start training for that next year. The St. George video is an older course and a little bit different from this years and probably next years course.


Hi,
I currently have a Tacx Blue Matic and I'm thinking of an upgrade to the Bushido. How would you rate it in comparison to cheaper trainers, both from the 'smart' aspects and just how it compares as a turbo trainer?

How does the no-plugin aspect work in practice? I fear that having to pedal in order to generate power and a connection would be a pain? Does it maintain a connection to the likes of bluetooth devices when you stop pedalling?


In my personal experience it's a pain to use, it will drop connection to devices when you stop pedaling. It's resistance etc is fine ofc but the pedalling for generating power is annoying sometimes. Personal experience no business talk ;-)

The neo is also wireless if thats your interest and does not have the pedal to keep alive as it will stay "awake" for up to 20minutes. It will also simulate downhill like a Genius is FE-C so it can be used with any application supporting FE-C and many more :-) It is however more expensive. - I'm sure daily users can help you a lot more with finding the right trainer for you :-)
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Mark Hewitt » Mon Sep 14, 2015 3:18 pm

Plugging in isn't really a big issue as the trainer is likely to stay in the same place in the corner, right beside a plug socket. I think the Bushido plugged in would be about right in terms of features, but I'm trying to get a setup which is good quality but also as little hassle as possible.

The Neo is double my budget unfortunately, as nice as it looks.

Looks like I might err towards the Vortex Smart at the moment, give that it's the cheapest of the 'smart' options.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Lunatix » Mon Sep 14, 2015 4:39 pm

Mark Hewitt wrote:Plugging in isn't really a big issue as the trainer is likely to stay in the same place in the corner, right beside a plug socket. I think the Bushido plugged in would be about right in terms of features, but I'm trying to get a setup which is good quality but also as little hassle as possible.

The Neo is double my budget unfortunately, as nice as it looks.

Looks like I might err towards the Vortex Smart at the moment, give that it's the cheapest of the 'smart' options.


There is also the Flow smart, about the same as the vortex just a little lower in price, might also be an option to look into then.

The Genius Smart as all the features of a bushido and downhill simulation. Great trainer but might also be above the price range. (Not sure on the current prices)
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Tacx Video Production » Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:18 pm

Lunatix wrote:
There is also the Flow smart, about the same as the vortex just a little lower in price, might also be an option to look into then.

The Genius Smart as all the features of a bushido and downhill simulation. Great trainer but might also be above the price range. (Not sure on the current prices)


Tom I think you are confused by the huge list of different tacx trainers you have in your office...there is no trainer called the Flow Smart :wink:

The Flow has been discontinued for over a year I think, it was not wireless & uses a USB cable. The Vortex Smart is the replacement & I think this is a great trainer for the price, if your not super strong & like to do Video simulations of real roads then this is actually the ideal trainer as its break is not too powerful, so it can not force you to a standstill on the steep hills!
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Mark Hewitt » Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:57 pm

Super thanks! Although we do have 20% hills around here I don't think I need to simulate them indoors. Given that my FTP is 180w I think I fall into the 'not super strong' category!

Thanks for the simple advice. And kudos to Tacx for what they've done with ANT+FE/C I had always dismissed the tacx trainers before the change.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Mark Hewitt » Tue Sep 15, 2015 10:17 am

PS is there any way to get around the connection drop issue with the Bushido? I'm using trainer road on my iPhone for my training and it requires a bluetooth connection, which unlike ANT+ takes a bit of time to pair every time, and sometimes it doesn't pair at all, so if I stop in the middle of the ride it loses connection and has to reconnect when I start? Seems mad unless I'm missing something?
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Lunatix » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:47 pm

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Lunatix wrote:
There is also the Flow smart, about the same as the vortex just a little lower in price, might also be an option to look into then.

The Genius Smart as all the features of a bushido and downhill simulation. Great trainer but might also be above the price range. (Not sure on the current prices)


Tom I think you are confused by the huge list of different tacx trainers you have in your office...there is no trainer called the Flow Smart :wink:

The Flow has been discontinued for over a year I think, it was not wireless & uses a USB cable. The Vortex Smart is the replacement & I think this is a great trainer for the price, if your not super strong & like to do Video simulations of real roads then this is actually the ideal trainer as its break is not too powerful, so it can not force you to a standstill on the steep hills!


Yes there is. The Flow Smart will only be distributed via big retail stores like Decathlon. That's why i brought it up. It does exist! :D
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Lunatix » Tue Sep 15, 2015 3:47 pm

Mark Hewitt wrote:PS is there any way to get around the connection drop issue with the Bushido? I'm using trainer road on my iPhone for my training and it requires a bluetooth connection, which unlike ANT+ takes a bit of time to pair every time, and sometimes it doesn't pair at all, so if I stop in the middle of the ride it loses connection and has to reconnect when I start? Seems mad unless I'm missing something?


Nope , no workaround
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Mark Hewitt » Tue Sep 15, 2015 4:16 pm

Lunatix wrote:
Mark Hewitt wrote:PS is there any way to get around the connection drop issue with the Bushido? I'm using trainer road on my iPhone for my training and it requires a bluetooth connection, which unlike ANT+ takes a bit of time to pair every time, and sometimes it doesn't pair at all, so if I stop in the middle of the ride it loses connection and has to reconnect when I start? Seems mad unless I'm missing something?


Nope , no workaround


Alright then. That's a shame because in all other ways the Bushido is the best trainer for me, good specs, good price, but let down by a curious design flaw.
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby richchin » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:12 am

I am considering purchasing a Genius Smart. However, there is a concern that I have before I do:

Bushido and Vortex have a headunit that can work without connecting it to a PC. The Genius and the i-flow Always needs a computer to work.

I do not own a PC (we are an Apple family). Do you mean to say a Genius Smart will not work at all without a computer, specifically, a PC? I must have a computer connected this trainer at all times for it to work?
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Re: Which trainer is best for me

Postby Tacx Video Production » Sun Nov 22, 2015 10:19 am

richchin wrote:I am considering purchasing a Genius Smart. However, there is a concern that I have before I do:

Bushido and Vortex have a headunit that can work without connecting it to a PC. The Genius and the i-flow Always needs a computer to work.

I do not own a PC (we are an Apple family). Do you mean to say a Genius Smart will not work at all without a computer, specifically, a PC? I must have a computer connected this trainer at all times for it to work?


it can also work with a Mac with Bootacamp, that how I run it. You have also the option to use it with a Tablet, the reason Tacx stopped producing head units is simply that Tablets cost less & are much better. You also have the option to use it with some 3rd party Mac programs...check out the FE-C thread.
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